Engine light on when car off/Fuel Pump goes on and off
#1
Engine light on when car off/Fuel Pump goes on and off
My 2004 Saturn Ion Quad Coupe 2.2 Liter has a strange problem. I noticed it the other day when I went to start it and the battery was dead. I charged the battery and noticed the yellow engine light was on when the car was off. I started the car and the light went off. When I turned the car off, the light went back on, then within a few seconds I heard a click under the dash (fuel pump relay) and the fuel pump would turn on for a few seconds then turn off. It would turn on again a after about 5 seconds and turn off again, and continue doing this, which apparently is what killed the battery. Since the battery was 6 years old already, I replaced it with a new one and the problem continued. After doing some research, and since the fuel pump relay is controlled by the ECM, I bought a matching used ECM on EBay for $19. I installed the new ECM, retrained the security pass code and the car started fine. When I turned it off, there it was again, the engine light went on and the fuel pump started its on and off thing again. Each time it goes on and off I hear the relay click. After more research I am thinking it might be a faulty oil pressure switch signaling the engine is running causing the fuel pump to operate. This is a problem in other vehicles, but I am not sure if the Ion is wired this way. Any thoughts on this?
#3
Sorry, I figured "Yellow Engine Light" was descriptive enough but apparently not. Perhaps there are other yellow engine lights on the car I am not aware of which caused the confusion. It is the yellow light in the shape of an engine on the instrument panel next to the speedometer that typically turns on when problems with a system are detected. In this case, it only goes on when the key is in the off position and the fuel pump keeps going off and on. A symptom not described in the owners manual or could be found on the Internet after an extensive search. The closest thing I could find was a possible short in the wiring to the pump, or even a stuck OIL pressure sensor which signals the fuel pump relay to power the fuel pump once the vehicle is started and pressure is detected indicating the engine is on and is need of fuel. After starting the OIL pressure sensor signal is responsible for activating the fuel pump relay and the ECM is by-passed. The ECM only trips the relay during start-up. Other GM vehicles are configured this way, but I am not sure if the Ion is and was hoping someone could tell me, but I am going to disconnect the oil pressure sensor and see what happens and if nothing else, eliminate it as the culprit.
Last edited by Quadcouper; 02-02-2014 at 06:41 AM. Reason: Addition.
#5
That is something that I've never heard of , but then again, Saturns do have their unique "quirks" that seem to be exclusive. Sounds like you're on the right track with disconnecting the OPS to start with. It does seem to have to be an electrical problem. You don't state how many miles you have on it, and even though it's not common, OPS do get flaky or short out sometimes. Let us know if unplugging it has any effect. I'd try replacing it if it were me. Where in the world did you find the info about the OPS having that effect on the starting system? I'm just curious.
#6
That is something that I've never heard of , but then again, Saturns do have their unique "quirks" that seem to be exclusive. Sounds like you're on the right track with disconnecting the OPS to start with. It does seem to have to be an electrical problem. You don't state how many miles you have on it, and even though it's not common, OPS do get flaky or short out sometimes. Let us know if unplugging it has any effect. I'd try replacing it if it were me. Where in the world did you find the info about the OPS having that effect on the starting system? I'm just curious.
#7
I had no idea there even was a power steering assist motor. Learn something new every day! Hopefully, you'll find a Saturn friendly GM dealer that will take care of that for you. Let us know what happens. Nice job trouble shooting too!
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